"EL_ULY" (uly)
08/25/2014 at 02:02 • Filed to: None
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"EL_ULY" (uly)
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What is the Z06 targeting?
Is it the mid/rear engine cars like Huracán, 458 Speciale, or 911 of some type lol.
Is it after high end front engine cars like F12 (similar to Z06's of the past and the 550, 599) Vanquish, and GTR
Or that grey area like Viper T/A, F-Type R (yawn), M4, Alfa 4C (yawn), and Shelby GT350.
Do you consider the price of the Z06 as a factor for the chosen category?
Decay buys too many beaters
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 02:04 |
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We'll wait to see numbers, but I expect it to target those Italian exotics.
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 02:07 |
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What is the Z06 targeting? EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING WILL BE CRUSHED IN A WAVE OF SUPERCHARGED AFFORDABLE SUPERCAR FROM AMERICA!
mcseanerson
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 02:15 |
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I would actually argue that previous Z06's were basically the American supercars and competed with other supercars. I think the new one will compete more with GT cars like the F12 or the 599 because it is less focused. Automatics, convertibles, and now it's heavier than the base model. I think there will be a stripped track focused model but I think they will reverse positioning with the Z06 and the ZR1 of the previous generation and make the new track focused one the top of the line most expensive one. When you think about it strapping on a super charger and a few other go fast parts is a lot easier and cheaper compared to the engineering they did on the last Z06. I bet they come out with something with twin turbos or some crazy hybrid powertrain and some super stripped down chassis, maybe we'll even see the spool valve suspension from the Z/28.
King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 02:17 |
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Technically the Z06 falls into the category of non-primary driver and so it is going up against all of those vehicles; it fills certain segments (2 door, coupe, sports car, track car, etc.) but its buyers will be pretty varied due to price point and performance.
Sam I - Texalopnik Ambassador
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 02:26 |
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I actually believe that it's targeting the likes of Aston Martin, Mercedes SL, and I'm not entirely sure, but potentially the GT-R. The Corvette is a Grand Touring car, with the Z06 being the option of the buyer who ISN'T buying it in response to a midlife crisis.
I mean, think about the other GT cars and their hotter counterparts. BMW 6 series/M6, MB SL/AMG, and... uhm... others? The F-Type and M4 and Alpha 4C are more sports cars than GT, in my opinion.
Josh G
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 02:32 |
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I do not think anything you think.
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Josh G
> Josh G
08/25/2014 at 02:34 |
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I've got the door.
Textured Soy Protein
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 03:07 |
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It is targeting people who have $79k and change and want an insane amount of horsepower, but want it in an actual sports car rather than a muscle car or sedan (i.e. Hellcat, GT500, ZL1/Z28, etc).
Why overcomplicate things?
CRider
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 03:23 |
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None of those cars are comparable to the Corvette. The only thing the ZO6 cares about is this.
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CRider
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 03:28 |
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It's heavier than the regular lVette, but that doesn't mean it's any less hard core. With the C6, the regular car had a steel frame and the ZO6 had aluminum- now they're all aluminum. The base car has carbon fiber and aluminum and magnesium like the old ZO6, so can you really save much weight with the C7? Not enough to offset the weight the supercharger adds.
Dagget
> CRider
08/25/2014 at 04:04 |
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That's pretty much exactly what I was gonna say, except not as long winded.
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CRider
> Dagget
08/25/2014 at 04:13 |
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I would have gone long winded, but I'm just too lazy.
JDIGGS
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 04:20 |
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The f12 is ridiculous, competing with that would be a step up from where the old z06 was as there are plenty of expensive cars it simply doesn't compete with. I don't see how you could say the new z06 is less focused either, every little fact they have spit out claims performance. More advanced everything is definitely not less focused. All That being said I think everybody and their mom knows the right move for z06 was to remain a track beast and gain more parts towards that like a carbon brake kit and super advanced aero while gaining refinement and comfort simply by trying to fix the handling flaws, and steering rather than cushion up the car.
spanfucker retire bitch
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 06:55 |
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I don't buy your argument that an automatic makes a car softer. Go look at the supercars it'll undoubtedly be competing against, and they all have automatics as well.
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mcseanerson
> spanfucker retire bitch
08/25/2014 at 07:28 |
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Automatic fine but why does a track car need a convertible or have to weigh more than the base model. I don't think Chevy had a focused track car as their goal for the Z06 for this gen. I think they just decided to just make it faster.
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spanfucker retire bitch
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 07:39 |
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It's certainly a possibility, but I think we'll just have to wait and see how it performs on track.
I do think your hypothesis might be correct though. This is the equivalent to the Camaro ZL1. Is it trackable? Absolutely. But it's meant to be an incredibly fast vehicle that is comfortable to use on the road, that happens to be pretty good on the track.
The ZR1 will probably end up being the equivalent of the Camaro Z/28.
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mcseanerson
> spanfucker retire bitch
08/25/2014 at 07:43 |
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Yeah whatever they make the top end trim will be the true track focused model. I think the last gen Z06 probably had some very thin profit margins because to buy an LS7 from Chevy they cost 20k by themselves and they are all hand built by there more experienced techs. The new Z06 will be plenty fast but it's just not a raw track focused beast.
Last gen Z06 was a 911 GT3 and the ZR1 was a 911 turbo. Now the C7 Z06 is a 911 turbo leaving an opening for a GT3 type car.
DoYouEvenShift
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 08:41 |
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I think they're trying to target a wider audience with this car than the last. Some people either dont want to shift theyre own gears, or cant for physical reasons. Also some people like convertibles, and having that option appeals to that crowd obviously. As far as the weight goes, I dont think that's as much of an issue as most would think. They already said its faster around a track than the last ZR1. Look at the GTR as an example, that thing isnt light, but is a track monster. And at only 78k, they are leaving room for a 100k ZR1.
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mcseanerson
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:32 |
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I already answered last night but none of the late nighters seem to agree with me.
macanamera
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:33 |
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It is targeting speed. This will be the fastest American car around a track.
mr_gofast
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:37 |
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/…
here is the order guide for the z06, in terms of who its offered to, its the middle aged - want to relive my teens crowd - the I have a heavy foot and a immature personality crowd = so us :D
Grindintosecond
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 10:46 |
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Good points but the buying public dictates what they will make. I have seen plenty of people driving around in a Mini Cooper S c onvertible. Get the performance car and order things to make it comfortable. The trend of the retirees.
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EL_ULY
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 10:46 |
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i noticed :]
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EL_ULY
> mr_gofast
08/25/2014 at 10:47 |
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well... us in like 15 years on a future episode of NPoCP :]
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EL_ULY
> macanamera
08/25/2014 at 10:47 |
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fingers crossed, I want this to slay the Italians
Milky
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:49 |
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Its gotta be 911 turbo, well for half the price, but performance wise.
Base vette fights with the base 911, so hi-po vette should fight with the hi-po 911 right? Unless there is still a ZR1 coming, then its fighting the GT3. *shrugs shoulders 'yea'*
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macanamera
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:52 |
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No need to cross your fingers, it will. I promise.
GhostZ
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 10:53 |
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It's targeting people who would buy Corvettes, but are wealthy enough not to want a base model corvette. These people only overlap with GT500s and Vipers.
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mcseanerson
> Grindintosecond
08/25/2014 at 10:53 |
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I'm not saying they should make a fast/upmarket convertible. I'm saying there should be a track focused model and there is definitely a market for it.
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Grindintosecond
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 10:57 |
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Absolutely. They will make that. they should. they will also make a convertible version so you can order the track car but the order sheet will have optionsssss.....So, whoever orders up a real hard core track car will wind up with a rare piece of 'vette in the end., as the majority of the ZRx models will be ordered loaded up.
nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
> mcseanerson
08/25/2014 at 10:57 |
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they'll have coupes for true track enthusiasts but also the convertible for those that want the fastest, probably not going to track it, but like the idea of a convertible. Why does the Zonda Roadster exist if not for that very reason?
TheCraigy
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 11:02 |
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It's targeting about $80 to $100k of the money in some white-haired guy's wallet.
It is its own product... Corvette has always been fairly unique, and this one is definitely in its own niche. But sure, this will compete with the 911, Viper, GT-R, R8, GT500.
Cherry_man1
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 11:13 |
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Well to put it simply everything under the sun. Unless the boys at SRT can make the Challenger handle better. The only thing I can imagine stopping this would be something the SVT skunk works could pull out of their asses. If the Ford GT ever decides to wake from its so far 9-10 year slumber and start cutting throats. the Zo6 will need to be feared.
PatBateman
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 11:29 |
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Price-wise, it's targeting the stock, bare bones 911. When loaded up, the 911 S. Performance-wise, it's going after higher end Astons and the 911 S.
In reality, I think Chevy is just trying to outdo the C6 and make the car with world class quality. If Top Gear hates on the Z06, it's because of bias and NOT performance.
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EL_ULY
> PatBateman
08/25/2014 at 11:36 |
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Well said. I guess mostly it can out perform the cars in it's price range and nip the heels and/or slay above it's weight class.
As for credibility, Europe will always down the Vette no matter how many of its heroes it whoops, just pisses them off more which cause them to pick at and demonize it in childish ways aka the Top Gear way.
Jayhawk Jake
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 12:42 |
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Why does it have to target anything?
It's a very fast Corvette. The Corvette has always kinda sorta been off on its own, slaying cars way more expensive than it. It's not like it can really lose to any new car in a comparison test either. If it underperforms the price difference between it and the car it loses to probably makes up for it. If not, it wasn't a fair comparison.
What I'm trying to say is I don't think it's 'after' anything, nor is it trying to compete with any one car. It's always seemed to me like the Corvette has been design to be a great sports car for a great price, that's it. It's not a 911 killer or a pony car war entrant, it's just a sports car.
desertdog5051
> EL_ULY
08/25/2014 at 13:11 |
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Someone said "middle aged...". All the ones I have seen on the road have younger drivers.
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EL_ULY
> desertdog5051
08/25/2014 at 13:18 |
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i've seen a bit of both really
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ihm96
> nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
08/25/2014 at 13:39 |
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There's a Zonda Roadster? I never knew about that
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nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
> ihm96
08/25/2014 at 16:04 |
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they do, and its pretty
And there's also the questionably street legal all carbon fiber F
Not to mention you can also get the SLS, SLR, Aventador, 458, etc all in convertible variants.
"Not only do I have a faster/more expensive car than you, but now you can see me in my faster/more expensive car. Look at me!"
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ihm96
> nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
08/25/2014 at 17:44 |
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Damn that is pretty, though I would still get the regular version. I think I'm more surprised about the Pagani droptop compared to your other examples because Paganis are much lower production. Oh also, I'm pretty sure the yellow one is carbon fiber too, but it's just painted unlike the second one. Oh and with the SLR we all know the best version is the SLR Stirling Moss, which not only forgoes a top, but also a windscreen. I've always loved this and if I somehow could afford supercars this would definitely be one of my first purchases. These retro speedster supercars are the coolest thing to me, like this or the Aston Martin CC100.
There's also the 458 Speedster concept
And then the new Jag F-Type Project 7 is another cool one, though not as extreme as the others, plus that ugly wing thrown on
I just love the extremeness of all these speedster cars, plus they're all beautiful. It also harkens back to the racecars from the 50s and 60s which, even though I'm 18, had the coolest cars in my opinion. I would definitely buy a Jag D-Type before any of these, or a Cunningham C4R (this is actually my favorite racecar ever. Briggs Cunningham was one of the first and best people to create a US car to compete at Le mans, and his car was also the first to wear the US colors of white body with two blue stripes)
Oh, and one modern speedster I almost forgot, but is always the answer
I just realized how long this is, and I apologize if its too much haha